(English) Lesson 12 Cash Trust: Discovery of People Behind the Money Trail (with Real Life Court Cases, Sample Script provided)
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Title: Lesson 12 Cash Trust: Discovery of People Behind the Money Trail
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People behind
- Follow SC’s Advice
- Know who you are dealing with, the individuals behind the company
- Keep copies of ALL documents & your communications
- Uninformed decision
- Sales Talk
- Risks are kept secret & hidden
- Incomplete data
- Unfair for investors & sales agents
- No data on the disclosure of risks, people behind or money trail
- Forensic investigation & Forensic accounting
- Disclosure of Risks
- People Behind
- Money Trail
- Complete data
- Making informed decision after knowing the full picture
- Conversation
- between Investor - Sales Agents
- between Sales Agents - Sales Upline - Company
- People behind
- Sales Talk
- Vast experience & Professionalism
- Hidden Facts/Risks
- Shareholders or directors of loss making companies.
- Involved in various court cases relating to settlement of debt.
- Companies were liquidated for failing to meet their debts.
- Sales Talk
- Secrecy & Hidden
- Sales Agents got the commission
- Trustee Company charged trustee fees
- Client’s Money (Trust Asset) is kept secret
- Trust Asset - Kept secret & hidden
- Who are the people behind managing the money?
- Where exactly did Client’s Money go?
- Tell Me Why?
- Why why tell me why? - 8% you can pay…
- Why why tell me why? - Commission you can pay…
- Why why tell me why? - Risks you don’t say…
Overview of Money Trail - Where the moneys went?
- Overall Money Trail #1 - Cash Trust
- Client signs Trust deed
- Invest Money in A Trustee Company
- Charges trustee fee
- Pay sales commission
- Preference shares & Promissory note to L Group
- Loan to P Group
- P Group then subscribe to Preference Shares of P Group (Money Round
- Tripping)
- L Group - Loan to concentrated credit risks
- P Group - Loan Including to a Shareholder of A Trustee Company
- Overall Money Trail #2 - Cash Trust
- Sales Agents got the commission
- Trustee Company charged trustee fees
- Client’s Money (Trust asset) is placed in ultra high risk investment (Related party transactions)
People behind
- They sell you a dream, you become their ATM machine
- Overall Corporate Structure
- A Trustee Company overview corporate structure
- Ah Lan
- Director of a Department in A Trustee Company & Indirect SH of A
- Trustee Company
- SC v RBTR (Civil Action)
- Directorship extracted from SSM4U
- Ms Dee v SC Sdn Bhd
- Mr G
- Defence Counsel for SC Sdn Bhd
- SC Sdn Bhd
- Ah Lan & Mr S in SC Sdn Bhd
- Ah Lan, Mr G & Mr S in SC Sdn Bhd & SRSS Sdn Bhd
- Ah Lan & Mr G of A Trustee Company
- C Sdn Bhd
- Mr S, Ah Lan & Mr M in C Sdn Bhd
- Overall Corporate Structure
- Mr M in A Trustee Company
- Ah Lan, Mr. G & Mr. M of A Trustee Company
- Mr. S with Ah Lan, Mr. G & Mr. M
- History Mapping of Matrix Table
- Year 2007 - 2008
- How to Perform Court Case Search (Lexis Advance)
- Court Case Video
- Communication & Relationship Transaction of Investors, Sales Agent & Company. Court Case of Ms Dee v SC Sdn Bhd
- Sweet - 13.1.2011
- Sour - 20.12.2012
- Bitter - 10.05.2013
- Spicy - 16.07.2013 - 3.12.2015
- Court Case of Ms Dee v SC Sdn Bhd
- Q#01 - Despite various signs of warning, why Ms Dee continue to invest
- Q#02 - Was Ms Dee able to recover her capital / investment after winding up SC Sdn Bhd?
- Q#03 - Why did Ms Dee continued with legal actions despite knowing the financial status of SC Sdn Bhd
- C Sdn Bhd
- Winding Up Chronology
- 09/2014 - S E&A Bhd filed petition for winding up order
- 11/2018 - Mr S filed petition for winding up order
- Annual Return of C Sdn Bhd
- 2010 -> 2017
- Mr S, Ah Lan & Mr M
- Q#1 : Why S E&A Bhd & Mr S applied as creditor to liquidate his own company?
- S E&A Sdn Bhd extracted from SSM-einfo
- Q#2 : Why Mr S insists on appointing his own choice of liquidator instead of following the majority (Ms. C from KPMG)?
- Q#3: Project was worth RM 250 - RM 300 million ? Contract to MJ Bhd for RM 144 million. What happened to the difference
- (~RM 156 million) ?
- S L&D Sdn Bhd extracted from SSM-einfo
- IT Sdn Bhd extracted from SSM-einfo
- Mr S, Mr G, Ah Lan & Mr M in A Trustee Company
- Bonding & Linkage
- Ms. A
- Front - Image & Branding
- Directorship information
- Mr S, Mr G, Ah Lan & Mr M in A Trustee Company
- Ms. A
- Ms A came into picture after 2016
- Dec 2016 - Ms A & Ah Lan in P Sdn Bhd
- Nov 2019 - Ms A, Director of A Trustee Company
- June 2020 - Ms A & Mr S in P E&A Sdn Bhd
- Questions to Ms. A
- Is Ms A aware of the history between Mr S, Ah Lan. Mr G & Mr M?
- Is Ms A the Mastermind? OR the Scapegoat?
- Questions to Sales Agents
- Are Sales Agents aware of the history between Mr S, Ah Lan. Mr G & Mr M (People behind A Trustee Company)?
- In the event of scheme default, will Sale Agents be the Scapegoat?
- Ms. A & Sales Agent
- Refuse to know? Dare not know? Don’t know how to find out?
- Position themselves in Ultra Risky & Dangerous position
What is cash trust? Is it some kind of unit trust?
- Unit Trust
- Client invest in Unit Trust Company
- Unit Trust Company pays sales commission to the Sales Agents
- Income distribution & Capital Appreciation by Unit Trust Company to Client
- Trustee - charges trustee fee, Safeguard unit holder’s interest
- Fund manager - charges fund management fee, Fund administration
- Cash Trust
- Client invest in A Trustee Company & sign the trust deed
- A Trustee Company pays sales commission to the Sales Agents
- A Trustee Company charges trustee fee
- Client gets payout (not guaranteed capital protection) from A Trustee
- Company
- Comparison Table
- Regulated by SC?
- Trustee & Fund Manager Independent?
- Where they invest?
- Trust deed
- Tax
- Trust account
- Risk level
- Unit Trust vs Cash Trust
- Running on solid grounds vs Standing on thin ice
- They sell you a dream, You become their ATM Machine
- Why don’t the Banks do this…???
- 8% - 2% = 6%
- Why don’t the banks make profit easily from this arrangement?
Sneak Preview of L13
- How from the outside company appears to be doing well?
- Appears to be doing well from the outside
- Client’s Money (Trust assets) ballooned. How are they doing?
- Audited Financial Statements of A Trustee Company
- Net Profit Before Tax
- Revenue
- Sales Agents enjoying good income
- Income Statement of Sales Agencies
- What are the trust assets that have ballooned? How are they doing?
- Audited Financial Statements of A Trustee Company
- Client’s Money and Interest Payout to Client
- Need more of less people to manage the trust asset?
- Trust Asset ballooned but ratio decreased. What does it mean?
- All are not what they appear to be
- Uncontrolled Monster
- Cannot Stop
Questions from previous webinars
1. What do you think of this DCS private trust?
2. How about offshore investment, it is tax free. how do you know if those are legitimate?
3. Evanna, so far, lots of cautionary on pref shares investment. Have you come
across any genuine preference share investment worth investing?
4. I heard some of the trust investment, client need to sign NDA, and also give discretionary power to the Trust company to manage the money, is that allowed?
5. As per your training on cash trust, I have a feeling that cash trust is not good. Is that the case?
6. May I know what is the typical range of preference share interest?
7. What system run insolvency test ?
8. How is UBB and DCS trust?
9. How many trust companies in Maia or those trust company is from oversea?
10. Many types of cash trust companies in the market, do you know which one is illegal?
11. In the beginning of the slide you mentioned trust is very high risk and one of the reason is unregulated. Isn't trust company monitor by MOF according to the trustee act?
12. What are private trust & private portfolios?
13. How the collateral assets work as protection?
14. What are the avenues if the cash trust company underperform and did not deliver as promised?
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